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Post by Rookie on Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:38 pm

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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Cac on Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:57 pm

[RЯ] vote 8-8 ^^
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Post by Mence on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:58 pm

Airstrikers votes 8-8
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Tricky on Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:57 am

Wait for an answer of us but...

In Div C, we went all out to win. We won and then there we have to replay against the same persons? Because if it is 8 clans in 2 groups, I suppose that we are not going to be in the 1st group. (And I imagine that the fate is going to make that we are going to lose).

I am sorry about this remark, which gives me the side of a guy who thinks only of his own interests, but seriously : that's not the best idea for us, and "loosers" of Div C will be very happy.

We give you an answer very soon. Very Happy 

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Post by Rookie on Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:25 pm

It's why I want to have a vote on the subject; to get all the opinions of the teams.

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Post by Nizer on Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:37 pm

I don't get why this season is starting so early in the first place. Last time there was a break of over a month between two seasons. This time you want people to have all their teams ready and declared only half a week after the past season concluded.

Way too early in my opinion. We (WEC) almost didn't declare participation for season 8, because half a week is just not enough time to make decisions.


If you had waited a bit longer, maybe there would have been two more teams ready to play and you wouldn't have to restructure everything. And I also think that the danger of teams dropping out after 1-2 weeks is much higher if they don't get any time to prepare.


Anyway, back on topic. I'll get someone from WEC to post an opinion on the two structuring options. I personally don't like any of them, especially not the 2x8 one..
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Rookie on Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:17 pm

Nizer wrote:I don't get why this season is starting so early in the first place. Last time there was a break of over a month between two seasons. This time you want people to have all their teams ready and declared only half a week after the past season concluded.

Way too early in my opinion. We (WEC) almost didn't declare participation for season 8, because half a week is just not enough time to make decisions.


If you had waited a bit longer, maybe there would have been two more teams ready to play and you wouldn't have to restructure everything. And I also think that the danger of teams dropping out after 1-2 weeks is much higher if they don't get any time to prepare.


Anyway, back on topic. I'll get someone from WEC to post an opinion on the two structuring options. I personally don't like any of them, especially not the 2x8 one..
Part of the reason is to try to get in 2 more seasons before MK8 rather than 1. And quite honestly it just seemed like no other possible teams could be found, but Melee X would be a possible one now. 6-6-6 isn't completely ruled out and would be ideal. In case we don't get 18 (which is seemingly likely) I'd like to get opinions from everyone as well.

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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Crazykonga on Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:18 pm

You'll never manage to get a S9, lol
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by ÐarkNes on Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:46 pm

8 - 8 :3
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Rayze on Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:14 pm

Surely it should also be possible to have a completely different structure such as a knock-out format comparable to as it was in season 2. In the case we have 16 teams, we could have 4 groups for the group stage, in which the top 2 of every group moves up to the knock-out stage / quarter finals. The performance of teams in the previous season would be taken into consideration in the decision for the groups and the match-ups.

I don't know if this is preferred over the options Rookie suggested, however. But it's something teams can keep in mind, as I assume the PL staff can appreciate other ideas too, as long as it's realistic.
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by DocteurChopper on Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:35 pm

4 (x2)
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Rookie on Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:50 pm

Ya, what RayZe recommended would be rather cool as well. We could do something similar to Season 2, but make it a little bit more organized. Please continue posting feedback it's greatly appreciated. Considering DY can play now, we may get 18 after all. In that case I will opt to just do 6-6-6 with 3 divisions.

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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by TIA on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:51 am

I think that 6-6-6 like the previous seasons should be the best thing. But I don't see HD2 and cB2 in the teams, aren't they going to play? o:

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Post by Cac on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:00 am

TIA wrote:I think that 6-6-6 like the previous seasons should be the best thing. But I don't see HD2 and cB2 in the teams, aren't they going to play? o:
 
They will going to play this season sure so we are are 17 teams, we need 1 team more Wink
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Ftwhero on Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:43 am

Cac wrote:
TIA wrote:I think that 6-6-6 like the previous seasons should be the best thing. But I don't see HD2 and cB2 in the teams, aren't they going to play? o:
 
They will going to play this season sure so we are are 17 teams, we need 1 team more Wink
You mean,like, HD2 will play in div A with HD?
HD2 does deserve the spot in div A, but id say its more logic to make HD2 members sign up for HD: a match HD2 vs HD would be a bit silly... And the match's outdone could br established before the match's start (eg if HD loses the match vs HD2 HD will just get 2nd and wont win Pl; so HD decides HD2 has to lose in order to win PL )
Just my opinion
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Nicola on Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:21 pm

Ftwhero wrote:
Cac wrote:
TIA wrote:I think that 6-6-6 like the previous seasons should be the best thing. But I don't see HD2 and cB2 in the teams, aren't they going to play? o:
 
They will going to play this season sure so we are are 17 teams, we need 1 team more Wink
You mean,like, HD2 will play in div A with HD?
HD2 does deserve the spot in div A, but id say its more logic to make HD2 members sign up for HD: a match HD2 vs HD would be a bit silly... And the match's outdone could br established before the match's start (eg if HD loses the match vs HD2 HD will just get 2nd and wont win Pl; so HD decides HD2 has to lose in order to win PL )
Just my opinion
I understand what you are trying to say, but HD would never do something like that
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Rookie on Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:58 pm

Ftwhero wrote:
Cac wrote:
TIA wrote:I think that 6-6-6 like the previous seasons should be the best thing. But I don't see HD2 and cB2 in the teams, aren't they going to play? o:
 
They will going to play this season sure so we are are 17 teams, we need 1 team more Wink
You mean,like, HD2 will play in div A with HD?
HD2 does deserve the spot in div A, but id say its more logic to make HD2 members sign up for HD: a match HD2 vs HD would be a bit silly... And the match's outdone could br established before the match's start (eg if HD loses the match vs HD2 HD will just get 2nd and wont win Pl; so HD decides HD2 has to lose in order to win PL )
Just my opinion
It has been done before.

http://ilforums.forumotion.com/t1422-w3-ar1-374-vs-358-ar2

I would strongly recommend that the teams intentionally do not play W9 or 10, and probably 8 as well, just to make things more fair and so teams wouldn't be cynical over it. HD2 is a separate team from us under different leadership. It'd be unfair for me to tell them they aren't allowed to play in Division A considering they won B last season. We will see though.

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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Shawn on Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:01 pm

HD2 (and HD ofc) is not going to cheat. As Rookie said, we are 2 different teams, and we're gonna play in a fair way. Ofc we want to play Div. A, we won last season in B and we deserve to play it.
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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Nyko on Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:12 pm

KA votes for 6-6-4 (or 6-6-6 if there's enough team). Teams are already used to that kind of structure, simple and fair at the same time. Should be the best option imo. Smile

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Re: Season 8 - Preliminary Discussion

Post by Ftwhero on Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:05 am

Rookie wrote:
Ftwhero wrote:
Cac wrote:
TIA wrote:I think that 6-6-6 like the previous seasons should be the best thing. But I don't see HD2 and cB2 in the teams, aren't they going to play? o:
 
They will going to play this season sure so we are are 17 teams, we need 1 team more Wink
You mean,like, HD2 will play in div A with HD?
HD2 does deserve the spot in div A, but id say its more logic to make HD2 members sign up for HD: a match HD2 vs HD would be a bit silly... And the match's outdone could br established before the match's start (eg if HD loses the match vs HD2 HD will just get 2nd and wont win Pl; so HD decides HD2 has to lose in order to win PL )
Just my opinion
It has been done before.

http://ilforums.forumotion.com/t1422-w3-ar1-374-vs-358-ar2

I would strongly recommend that the teams intentionally do not play W9 or 10, and probably 8 as well, just to make things more fair and so teams wouldn't be cynical over it. HD2 is a separate team from us under different leadership. It'd be unfair for me to tell them they aren't allowed to play in Division A considering they won B last season. We will see though.
Ah, i understand better now. By the way, i said nothing about HD2 not being allowed to play in Div A, just that for me it wouldve had more logic sense to make them play in the same team as HD Wink
I apologize if what i said in my post before couldve hurt HD and HD2's feeling
To get back on topic:
6-6-6 is the best as its the most equilibrate (not because its 666 xD)
6-6-5 is a good option too, if just 17 teams partecipate.
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